We took an unintended 10-month hiatus from publishing podcasts, but today we got to hit upload again.

And it felt great.

It was a blast to interview a couple friends, who happen to also be coworkers.

We explored two main questions (that I for sure rabbit trailed):

– What does human-first mean?
– Why does it matter?

Hope you’ll check it out here.

Racheal Burnett and Jeremy Parsons were fascinating guests.

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